Michael,

 

Re the two ‘V’ notes of your website's Lambert page

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Please note the following from the ALA’s^ genealogical dictionary:

·          Philomène Lambert (ALA #650) is shown to be the daughter of Joseph Lambert (ALA #238) and Marie St-Germain/Gaucin (MLM: a.k.a. Gosselin) married on Sept. 18, 1820 in Yamaska’s St-Michel parish. The ascendancy shown on your page for Joseph is in agreement with ALA’s ascendancy, which goes:

o   Joseph/#238 –> Louis-Joseph/#106 -> Pierre-Noël/#37 -> Pierre/#5 -> Pierre/#1 (b. in Fourmetot &  m. to Marie Le Normand). Philomène/#650 was married to Pierre Langlois on Feb. 15, 1858 in Yasmaska’s St-Michel parish.

·         As your site’s page correctly shows, Marie-Philomène Lambert (ALA #1671) is shown to be born & baptised on May 3, 1837 in St-Léon-le-Grand and to be the daughter of Joseph Lambert (ALA #778) and Marie Luneau married on Nov. 17, 1834 in St-Léon-le-Grand, Joseph/#778’s ascendancy going:

o   Joseph/#778 -> Gervais/#314 -> Gervais/#143 -> Gervais/#46 -> Michel/#7 -> Aubin/#1.

The ALA dictionary shows neither who Marie-Philomène was married to nor when she died.                           

Beyond this, the ALA dictionary very largely supports all the details regarding the Lamberts, spouses, wives’ parents, and children mentioned in your site page, excluding Théophile Lambert’s children born in the US, but identifying Joseph/#778’s children (all born in St-Léon-le-Grand) and supporting the gist of the site page’s various other notes.     Interestingly, the ALA dictionary mentions that Désiré, the son of Joseph/#778, was a veteran of the American Civil War and was married twice, once in 1865 to an unknown partner, a second time in 1874 to Marie Gervais.

 

Re note ‘VA’ of your website's Lambert page

You should be aware of the book Les Lambert-Champagne-Aubin : 800 actes notariés, 1663-1799, with transcription throughout by the two authors, Réal Aubin and Georges Aubin, which identifies 800 notarized ancient Québec instruments uncovered to the end of the 18th century relating to Aubin Lambert and his descendants. Note particularly:

·        In the instrument’s transcription on p. 47 date March 28, 1688, Aubin Lambert is granted a concession on the côte de Lauzon (ie, the future St-Nicolas parish) which identifies Aubin Lambert’s new lot  as bordering the lots of Nicolas Marion-Lafontaine on one side and Aubin’s fellow Percheron pioneer son-in-law Michel Chatel and as having actually been occupying the lot since April 2, 1686. This is thus consistent with Aubin’s last two children being born in 1687 and 1689.

·        In the instrument’s transcription on pp. 94-95 dated August 16, 1716, the sale of a portion of a lot by Henri Louineau and Louise Lambert to Aubin Lambert II is identified as being the lot once owned by the late Aubin Lambert bordering the lot of George Marion on one side and Jacques [sic, ie. Michel] Chatel on the other side.

·         In the instrument’s transcription on p. 63, Michel Lambert’s annulment on May 29, 1707 of his marriage contract with Marie-Louise Gaureau mentions Michel Lambert having to pay 44 livres consisting of 36 livres by Michel and the rest by Michel’s brother Aubin II.

The accompanying genealogical interpretation on p. 63 being in effect that Michel Lambert is the 6st child of Aubin I& Elisabeth Aubert, that Tanguay et Jetté are in error in having said that Michel is the son of Pierre & Marie Normand, that Michel was born in Saint-Augustin de Desmaures between October 1 and December 32, 1680, was baptised somewhere in the same period, etc., and the implication being that Aubin II is by definition necessarily the son of Aubin I and Élisabeth Aubert.

·          In the instrument’s transcription on p. 70, Michel Lambert’s marriage contract on November 24, 1708 with Louise-Catherine Grenier, Michel Lambert is clearly identified as Michel Lambert, son of Aubin I and Élisabeth Aubert, from St-Nicolas.

 

In my view, the key to understanding the inherent internal logic of Michel  Lambert being the son of Aubin I Lambert, and not the son of Pierre Lambert, is the ability to trace who Aubin I’s 10 children were and where they were born and raised. It is known without any possible doubt that the first 8 children were born in the seigneurie de Maure also known as St-Augustin (nowadays known as St-Augustin de Maure) on the north shore of the St. Lawrence River. Réal Aubin has proven conclusively that the last two children were very likely born in St-Nicolas on the south shore of the St-Lawrence River to be close to his eldest daughter Françoise married to Michel Chatel who had the concession for, according to Léon Roy’s numbering system, lot 74, with Aubin I and Élisabeth Aubert having a concession for lot 73 immediately to the east and Aubin I’s eldest son François having a concession for lot 75 immediately to the west. By contrast, the pioneer Pierre Lambert born in Fourmetot settled in St-Antoine-de-Tilly, his children were all born there and he died there. The very distinct geographical and family links of Aubin Lambert in St-Nicolas and of Pierre Lambert in St-Antoine-de-Tilly are well known and understood by the likes of PRDH (but not evidently Jetté), the ALA, the University of Caen’s PREFEN, the Fichier Origine, Nos Origines and others.

 

Re your website’s high proportion of Percheron ancestors

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Having for the past two years concentrated my genealogical efforts on identifying and enhancing on a standardized basis the biographies on the WikiTree.com website of over 300 pioneers born in ancient Perche province to emigrate to Canada in the 17th century and early 18th century based on contemporary lists from perche-quebec.com, perche-canada.net and Gervais Carpin’s 1999 thesis. These Percheron pioneer biographies have now been cross-referenced on the WikiTree  Percheron Immigration Category webpage.

 

I was motivated to do this partly because of the high proportion of Percheron pioneers in my own family tree, which includes Lambert, Trudel, Boucher, Garnier/Grenier, Houde, Pelletier, Ayotte/Hayot, partly because it took our family 50 years to come around to believing that we were descendants of the Percheron Aubin Lambert and not of the Normand Pierre Lambert, partly in order to document  pioneers from France in my family in particular and in the Percheron immigration movement  generally in a more long-lived and high profile website  than my own little used family website.

 

I am thus aware of the high proportion of Percheron pioneers in your website which including names like Aubin, Aubin/Lambert/Champagne, Bouchard, Boucher, Boulet/Boullé/Boulay, Coté, Cloutier, Dion/Guyon, Fortin, Gagné/Gasnier, Gagnon, Gaudry, Giguère, Goulet, Houde/Houle, Landry, Letartre, Loiseau/Loyseau, Mercier, Normand/Le Normand, Paradis, Pinguet, Rivard, Tremblay, Trottier, Trudel.

 

This is a truly impressive array of names which reflects the fact that most families of pioneers born in France to immigrate to Canada have a high level of inter-marriage with Percheron families.

 

Re Goulet family

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Note that Aubin Lambert was the first-cousin of Jacques Goulet whose father Thomas Goulet was married to Antoinette Feillard was the sister of Jacqueline Feillard married to Odard Lambert.

 

See also on p. 541 excerpt from the ALA dictionary’s excellent La biographie de Pierre Lambert, which says of the pioneer Pierre Lambert’s first child, Pierre :

 

«Pierre : né le 16 aoùt 1680, age d'une année au recensement de 1681. Jetté indique qu'il a épousé Catherine Garnier. C'est faux.  Il a probablement décédé tôt, car il n'apparaît plus dans les dossiers. L'époux de Catherine Garnier est Michel Lambert, fils d'Aubin Lambert. Aucune parenté avec le père, Pierre. Plusieurs descendants d'Aubin Lambert ont été, ainsi, induits en erreur. »

 

The Association des Lambert d’Amérique identifies seven Lambert pioneers born in Europe (6 from France, 1 from Ireland), three of these pioneers accounting for more than 80% of all descendants identified in the ALA’s genealogical dictionary as follows:
- Aubin, Percheron, 16,031 descendants (43%)

- Eustache, Normand, 8,904 descendants (24%)

- Pierre, Normand, 6,153 descendants (17%)

- 4 others, 3 Normand presumably, 1 Irish, 5,830 descendants (16%).

 

The ALA coat-of-arms covers all seven pioneers. There appears to be no effort on the part of the ALA to trace heraldry on the European side of the ocean and my impression is that there is very little interest in Québec to dig too deep in European heraldry for any other families. The only exception that springs to mind is the Juchereau family, which was high up the hierarchy.

 

Réal Aubin concludes that Aubin Lambert and his father Odard were both unskilled and members “des journaliers souvent mérisables.” In other they both came from the poor side of Tourouvre. Aubin could not sign his name.

 

The Lambert name is the 23rd most common in France, which is very common because there are over 100,000 family names in France. The Lambert name occupies the 94th rank in the province of Quebec with say 1000 family names.

 

My sense is that it is very hard if not impossible to trace families back more than say 10 generations unless dealing with royalty.

 

My sense is also that the ALA’s coat-of-arms is probably the most appropriate for North American descendants of Aubin, Eustache and Pierre.

 

One of these days I will set my mind to it to make some sense of the Lambert DNA project but I agree that the Lamberts in the UK likely mostly came from France due to the Battle of Hastings.

 

Ancient Perche province occupied a well documented special political role at the interface generally between Normandie, Maine, Beauce and Orleanais provinces, and in particular with the English occupations on the France side of the Channel and the occupation of the Normans in the UK side.

 

- Claude Lambert

Association des Lambert d’Amérique