Claire de Crespon m. Abel St. Paul References
I should first point out that I have relied heavily upon the cited references of others, notably members of the Sicard de Carufel family and descendants with much more direct bloodlines and far more directed research along the Sicard de Carufel and De Saint-Paul lines than I. Although I have not found evidence that anyone disputes the parentage of Marthe de Saint-Paul, I have not found a clearly stated source that says they are in possession of a copy of a will or marriage contract or other source that explicitly names Marthe's father as Abel de Saint-Paul. Since this line, however, includes the marriage to Claire de Crespon, a descendant of Charlemagne, I have attempted to provide as much detail as I was able to muster from the more limited research that I personally conducted, and this information is presented below:.
Marthe de Saint Paul is included a child of
Abel de Saint-Paul, Seigneur de Bonneville and of the Seigneur’s wife Claire de
Crespon in the genealogy of Jean-Louis Dega, who lists 2 children: Louis and
Marthe and gives as his source:
"le 12-1-1650 une donnation faite à son fils chez Cassaing notaire à Dénat cote AD Tarn 3 E 3/585 f.113." I don’t have a copy of that document or know its specific wording. It must certainly give the name of the son (Louis), but I do not know if Marthe is specifically mentioned, or if she is thus deduced to be Abel’s daughter by way of other documentation showing her as Louis’ sister.
other sources I used which specify Claire de Crespon as wife, and Marthe as daughter of Abel de Saint-Paul:
"L'histoire de la Seigneurie de Carufel,"
published by Clement Plante in 1980.
The cited reference by Clement Plante of an estate inventory presented on 12 April 1743, before the notary Antoine Puypéroux de Lafosse. The inventory includes: a will by Marthe de St-Paul wife of the noble Jean de Sicard Sr de Carufel, dated 11 May 1664, and a marriage contract dated 13 January, 1630 for Marthe de Sainte-Paul to Jean Sicard de Carufel. Presumably the marriage contract lists Marthe’s father, but I have not been able to acquire a copy of the contract or even ascertain who might have inherited the original or a copy. Bill Morin’s wording describing the 1664 will suggests that Marthe’s testament also specifies her as daughter of Abel de Saint-Paul, and Bill also states at the Sicard genforum.com that he has tried to cross verify the marriages, etc. in his records and in the research of his mother-in-law ( a Sicard de Carufel) with church records and other sources.
“Généalogie descendante de Jean Sicard de Carufel qui vint au
internet genealogies of Bill J. Morin, Romain Lavergne, Larry Desaire, Sue Lamirande, Jeanette Collins and Francois Marchi showing Marthe as the daughter of Abel de Saint-Paul, none of whose work have I attempted to either verify or disprove.
Coincidental evidence would also be the marriage of Marthe to Jean Sicard de Carufel, specifically referenced as “noble,” since Abel would have if at all possible have married his daughter to another noble.
Sources for Jean Jacques de Saint Paul and Elisabeth Dumas as parents of Abel de Saint Paul are J-F Blanc and the above-cited document referenced by Jean-Louis Dega.
Posted by Bonnie Schewan-Maccabee:
My mother-in-law was a Sicard-de-Carufel and I have been
researching the family for over ten years. Went to
SICARD: 1732 Maskinonge,
LAURENGER: Marguerite's father, the spouse of Genevieve Cote, was Joseph Loranger. At the time of Marguerite's marriage to Jean Sicard, her maiden name is listed as simply RIVARD. In the registry of births, when her daughter Marguerite was born, her maiden name is written LAURENGER. [Source: University de Montreal -- P.R.D.H. - Programme de Recherche en Démographie Historique; University de Montreal -- P.R.D.H. - Programme de Recherche en Démographie Historique
MARRIAGES: 6 Aug 1752 to Marie-Madeleine MARCHAND; 16 Feb 1784 to Marguerite LORANGER [ aka RIVARD-LORANGER] ; 21 Nov 1796 to Marie-Louise MEUNIER -- Jean SICARD DECARUFEL, widow of Madeleine MARCHAND (deceased), married Marguerite RIVARD, daughter of Joseph RIVARD (deceased) and Genevieve COTE. It was noted that one ban was dispensed.
Jean SICARD married Mademoiselle DOUMERGE in 1510, Castres, Haut-Languedoc Jean was the head of the Sicard family estate [seigneurie] located in the region of Albigeois, Haut [upper]
Raymond SICARD de Carufel m: Catherine de SALHAYRET [aka de Palhayret] 1540 in Castres. Raymond, the proprietor of the fief of Carufel, was also known as Seigneur or Sieur Raymond Sicard de Carufel. He was recognized as a noble the 15 Aug 1530. His testament is dated 1556. According to an article by Benjamin Sulte, "Bulletin des recherches historiques" numéro d'avril 1914, the family lived in upper
Jean SICARD de Carufel m: Marie Anne De St.MAURICE 18 Jun 1589, Castres Anne de Saint-Maurice, daughter of the Seigneur de Conolx or Convlx. The marriage procuration was agreed to by Anne's brother, Jean de St-Maurice, seigneur de Conolx. The bride's brother, P. Seigneur of Conolx, is recorded as a witness to the marriage. Their son:
Jean SICARD de Carufel m: Marthe De StPAUL 16 Jan 1630 in Castres. Two sons identified thus far: Charles & Pierre. The Sicards were already serving in the military when Jean, son of Jean and Anne de Saint-Maurice, married Marthe de Saint-Paul, daughter of Abel [de Saint-Paul] seigneur de Conneval in January 1630. On March 6, 1639, Jean Sicard de Carufel was made captain of the regiment of
Pierre SICARD de Carufel m Marie DeFARGUES 5 Dec 1663 Some sources indicate Jean and Marthe's son, Pierre, was born around 1646; others around 1631.
Jean-Baptiste SICARD de Carufel married Genevieve RATE on 27 Nov 1694 in St-Pierre, Ile d'Orleans,
Jean returned to France in 1696 and, on May 22, in a ceremony held before a notary in Castres, the noble Jean Sicard, lord of Farguettes, officer in the Marine Troops in Canada, declared his loyalty and respect for his father, Pierre Sicard, and, in addition to words of affection and courtesy by Pierre, was emancipated and declared free to make his own decisions.
Genevieve's baptism was attended by her parents: Jacques Rate & Anne Martin; Martin Coste; and Genevieve Miloue and her spouse Guillaume Paradis. The presiding priest was FLAMY. Her burial in Maskinonge was attended by her husband, Jean SICARD DECARUFFEL, Ecuyer, Officier dans les troups; Jean Baptiste COURCHESNE, Jean Baptiste PETIT BRUNO and Salvien BOUCHER, missionary/priest.
There are indications that Jean bore arms with "de geules, au paon rouant d'or, au chef cousu d'azur chargé de trois étoiles d'argent." -- registered to the St. Maurice de Coudols family. [There is no indication that, following the Sicards being declared nobles at the
Jean returned to Nouvelle
The domain, two leagues [a "lieue" is an old unit of measure about 4 km] across by the same depth was in the area now known as Saint Justin. "de l'espace de terre qui reste dans la riviére Maskinongé, dans le lac St. Pierre, depuis celle qui a esté cy-devant concédée au sieur Le Gardeur jusqu'au premier sault de la dite riviére, ce qui contient deux lieues ou environ de front sur pareille profondeur En titre de Fief et seigneurie, haute, moyenne et basse justice." In return, Jean, an officer in the troops of the marine detachment, made an act of faith and hommage for the fief and seigneurie to de Vaudreuil et de Beauharnois.
Under the French seigneurial regime, seigneurs were duty-bound to promote colonization by providing "immigrants with favourable conditions for the settlement and agricultural development ..." [Translated] "From the time he took possession of his fief," wrote l'abbé Hermann Plante, "the lord of Carufel attempted to establish himself; but the timing was not good. In 1705, it was difficult to move away from the
In a statement/enumeration of 19 February 1723, Jean declared a sixteen foot square house enclosed by a palisade and three acres of workable land. Few seigneurs could afford to live off their annual rents and, unless a seigneurie has 25-50 settled families, maintenance costs generally surpassed revenues. While clearing the land, at least until 1732, Jean continued his military career as Ensign of the Troops of the colony. There are also several transactions recorded in the minutes of Pierre Petit including an agreement August 16, 1728 with the Ursulines of Trois-Rivières ending a land boundary dispute.
The 27 January 1737, Jean made his testament in favor of his children. Four years later, in 1741, Jean Sicard de Carufel witnessed the sale of portions of his land as his children sold their share to their brother-in-law, Jean-François Baril-Duchesny, spouse of Geneviève SdC. Jean died in August 1743 at the age of 77. Eight of Jean's ten children married before their father's death; the others married in 1745 and 1751. One of Jean & Genevieve's sons:
Jean SICARD de Carufel married Elizabeth (Isabelle) LEGARDEUR around 1719 and Marie-Angelique LUPIEN BARRON on or about 1 Apr 1728 in Maskinonge,
- Michael Marcotte